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Hi "DVB-T Holland",

problems in the channel 52 may be caused by the Digitenne 1 Zuid-Holland Noord which is transmitted from Alphen and elsewhere.

 

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Die Vermutung wie -ISO- hatte ich anfangs auch, aber Alphen bei 12kW über 115km und dazu mit einer Richtantenne auf Wesel (35km) - das schien mir etwas zu unwahrscheinlich.

Allerdings sendet aus der gleichen Richtung wie Wesel auch Angelburg aus großer Höhe mit 50kW-H aus 195km. Dadurch ist im Raum Köln-Bonn (110km) der gleichstarke vertikale Kanal 52 aus Düsseldorf (50km) stellenweise unterdrückt.

 

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hmm i dont think its a problem by interference as the distance is big to zuid holland at least 100 km sure and the west direction is blocked by the building as well
Wesel is about 50 Km in south-east direction from here

 

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here a link to the dutch channel list for each province
ch 52 is in used in holland but only in the west part of Holland
too big distance from here normally it shouldnt be posible to recieve
maybe of i got my antenna up on the tower at 17 mtr high and clear sky ...
i dont know need lucky for that i guess they are not designed to reach so far east.
properly people in germany can get some signal from the tower here in Doetinchem as i think it will be transmitting direction east (Munster...)to reach the border area with germany as that was the dead zone before to watch DVB-T there from the dutch channels

 

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http://www.kpn.com/tv/digitenne/Zenders-en-kanaalindeling.htm:breites_:

 

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Scan am 31. Januar 2008 in Kleve (also ganz in deiner Nähe) direkt an der Kranenburg mit fast freier Sicht nach Osten, die allerdings durch Bäume eingeschränkt war:

CH +=Störungsfrei / O=nur Suchlaufstopp (also mit Richtantenne möglich)

21 O MÜNSTER
22 O WUPPERTAL
23 O HENGELO
25 O LANGENBERG
27 O NORDHELLE
29 + WESEL
30 O NORDHELLE
31 O NIJMEGEN /// TEUTOBURGER WALD
33 O TEUTOBURGER WALD
34 O VENLO
35 + WESEL
42 + DOETINCHEM
45 O MÜNSTER
46 + KLEVE
47 O HENGELO
48 + KLEVE
50 O LOPIK
52 + WESEL (störungsfrei !!!)
54 O VENLO
55 + WESEL
56 O NIJMEGEN
57 + ESSEN
58 + DOETINCHEM
59 O MÜNSTER
60 O NORDHELLE /// SMILDE
64 O NL-WEST
65 + DOETINCHEM
66 + DOETINCHEM

002km Kleve
021km Nijmegen
022km Doetinchem
026km Arnhem
036km Wesel

044km Venlo
063km Hengelo
070km Essen
076km Düsseldorf
082km Langenberg
083km Münster-Baumberge
083km Hilversum (NL-West-Kanäle)
097km Dortmund

131km Nordhelle
186km Teutoburger Wald

Minimale Ausstattung: Mobilempfänger und Zimmerantenne


... und vom Gasometer in Oberhausen am gleichen Tag.

 

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Hi DVB-T Holland,
My english is not very good, but I want to try.

I do not believe that you have Iinterferences from the DVB-T.
An interference from Angelburg North Hessen, I think that is not.
From west holland you say is a large building in the way.
And westholland it ist also to far away from you. With normal weather condition.
So there is nothing of the DVB-T disrupt.

If i turn my 42 element antenna to Wesel, i get here in Wassenberg about 80Km distance to Wesel - the programs still from there.
But also not the K52 and K 55.
However, the K29 -RTL, RTL2, VOX etc.come with 80% in good signal quality at me without skipping.
It is simply the fact that the transmitter in Wesel addressed the Power in NO / O and sends to Holland with not very much power.
Düsseldorf is possibly in your direction to Doetinchem _maybe_ also almost too far away.
But Düsseldorf is the nearest Transmitter for you - with round transmitting

I think it could disorders from the mobile Telefone network.
For disorders from the mobile T. network, there are filters to buy.

My suggestion is to try with a large 91 element directional antenna !
I think that would be the best way.

Where once the analog TV have worked with noise, you have now__some where_ with DVB-T already problems.
That is the real fact.

So, I hope my English was good enough, and you can read and understand it .



Friendly greetings to you

 

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Schon klasse, im Forum werden seitenlang technische Tricks für den NL-Empfang diskutiert, und wenn dann jemand aus der Gegend hier anfragt wird in beiden Richtungen engels gesprochen , obwohl die Ansprechpartner hier für sein Problem vermutlich alle mehr oder weniger buren sind...

 

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allright yup your english is ok
well i think here in holland the distance each sender is transmitting is not real long as here are so many in a small country , germany is lot bigger and need higher output also hills needs to overwin as we dont have here a lot.
well if you see too problems for ch 52 than properly use lower output for that one or just beam it to another direction for some reason.
Dusseldorf is far yes but if the landscape between here and Dusseldorf is ok without high things.. the transmitters in Ruhrgebiet should use power enough to overwinn that busy area with citys and industry.
on HF i have many trouble too to reach some areas in west germany while others are easy , so many things depending on the landscape i have good hope the signals will be lot better with the antenna onto the twoer here than its already about 4,5 meters higher than the antenna against the wall and free vieuw in all directions will help against reflections the signal more stable anyway.
well the mobile telefone band is still a bit higher in frequency i dont think i have disturbtion of that
well yes a 91 element antenna should work well but very directional too but to use that kind of antennas i need to rebuild my complete tower as the distances to the other antennas are too short i got a very big antenna on 30cm under the top and the tower itzelf is around 3,5 meterabove the roof
so putting a yagi below that big antenna will not work well
a Visiosat antenna just in top should be ok without trouble to interference with the other antenna and the tower is rotated ass well with proffesional rotator so no need to fix the direction on the roof i can find it later by turning the rotator.
well.. the ch 29 is still strong much much stronger than before so i really get a thought somewhere somehow is changed on a transmitter for ch 29
it comes super strong around 90 % sometimes and before that was one of the lowest signals , very weird how this is posible i didnt do anything to my setup.
So.. now time to find a bed here lol
thanks again
regards from Holland

 

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Nach der Prognosekarte ist der Sender Wesel mit Dachantennen auch in Richtung Norden bis Westen zu empfangen. Das entspricht auch meinen Erfahrungen vor Ort mit dem ct-Dipol in diesem Gebiet:

Almelo
Apeldoorn
Arnhem
Nijmegen (und über die Kartengrenze hinaus)

Also mit sichtlich größerer Reichweite als ins Münsterland - mit der angeblichen Ausrichtung des Senders auf Nordost ...